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PostSubject: Re: Williams   Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:07 pm

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(The music is fantastic compared with the dialogue!).

I think the music of the great film composers was--more often then not--much better than the films it was written for, and made the films seem better than they really were. This was generally the case with Korngold, Miklos Rosza, Dmitri Tiomkin, and (apart from the Hitchkok films) Bernard Herman. Maybe Max Steiner, too.

One film maker even said that, thanks to Bernard Herman's music, one of his films (starring Robert Wagner and Natalie Wood) seemed to have a profundity "that in reality was not there." Shocked

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PostSubject: Re: Williams   Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:21 pm

I would agree with your assessment of Williams were it not for the music of the original Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back. To me that puts him in an elite league of movie score-makers. Of course it's derivative, but it does a tremendous job of being derivative.

Yeah, OK, it isn't fancy pantsy like Bernie Hermann and Miklos Rosza, but someone called this instantly recognizable, we might even say canonical.


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PostSubject: Re: Williams   Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:59 pm

Yes, it's instantly recognizable, and I like it, and I don't think anyone would dispute your characterization "great job of being derivative."

So, with no intention of being critical, I think that what I'm hearing there reminds me of Korngold's March from "Much Ado About Nothing" (but less comical), but it also runs through key modulations that I think come from Shostakovich Symphony #5 (or is it Prokofiev I'm thinking of?). I'm trying to recall the source of the fiddle work starting at 0.56, I know I've heard it before, I'm just not sure where (Mendelssohn's Midsummer Nights Dream? No, not quite).

Anyways, I don't hear anything that I'd call "ripped off" in it (I'm listening to Shostokovich #5 right now, and there's no "gotcha"). The derivativeness is perfectly legit and acceptable. And it's a march, so if it's "plodding" that's a good thing in this case.

I've got to say that the Shostokovich #5 is chock full of wonderful movie music.

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