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PostSubject: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:04 pm

Whenever I read plaudits about Ray Davies' songwriting- as I often do- they're almost always accompanied by a rider/qualification along the lines of: "well-observed and deeply felt vignettes of English suburban life".

How true is this?

What kind of resonance do site-specific songs like "Waterloo Sunset" or a climate-specific song like "Autumn Almanac" or time-and-place-specific songs like "Dedicated Follower of Fashion" have in far fields and foreign climes?

Parochial? Universal? Both?

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:14 am

No deep thought here, Eddie, just a passing 'thinks' bubble: Ray Davies's songs strike me as more of the music hall than of rock 'n' roll - and music hall was a pretty "English" - erm, what's the word I'm looking for, genre? form? Can I answer (for now), facetiously, 'neither'?

(The Kinks were big favourites of a mod* workmate of mine in the mid 60s - who, incidentally, loaned me his newly-purchased Bob Dylan albums: first four, if I remember right - and set me off down a particular trail which I still follow erratically nearly half a century later)

*EDIT: there's a pun in there - unintentional - my workmate was indeed a 'mod'; and we both worked for a particular department of state with a similar acronymic name. So it goes.

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:24 am

To Minnesotans they sound like they are from a faraway land. And they talk funny--not like regular people.

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:58 am

I love Lola! The Kinks warned folks about oil addiction in the 70s and no one in power paid them any mind. There is a man under my bed, there's a little green (or is it yellow) man in my head...

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:55 am

Mulling the whole matter over:

In a way, it was a silly question.

I've never surfed a roller in my life, but that doesn't debar me from admission to the world of the Beach Boys. Neither have I driven down Route 66, but I love the song.

For that matter, I couldn't point out Ashtabula on a map to save my life.

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:05 am

About 5 years ago I heard part of an interview on BBC Radio 5 Live with Greil Marcus in which he was discussing "Waterloo Sunset", surely one of the best "Pop" songs ever written.

Where can I read what Mr Marcus has to say about the Kinks?

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:09 am



6 Denmark Terrace, birthplace of the Davies brothers. About as English suburban as it gets.

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:13 am

http://www.last.fm/music/The+Kinks

You Really Got Me- The Kinks.

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:21 am

Ray Davies' autobiography X-Ray is a characteristically left-field production.

The book is structured around the story of a young gun-slinging music journalistist who manages to obtain a rare interview with the notoriously cranky and reclusive Mr Davies; their dialogue becomes the substance of the book.

Highly unusual and original, as you'd expect; certainly, a cut above most music biogs. Well worth reading.

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:07 pm

Eddie wrote:

I've never surfed a roller in my life, but that doesn't debar me from admission to the world of the Beach Boys.


Neither has Brian Wilson!
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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:50 pm

Eddie wrote:
Where can I read what Mr Marcus has to say about the Kinks?

In 'Mystery Train', Eddie. It's many years since I read it, so I can't recall what his take on the Kinks was. Amazon have it: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mystery-Train-Greil-Marcus/dp/057122721X

EDIT: he deals with the Kinks in an extended aside in his chapter on Randy Newman.

As an aside to this post - I just found my copy; 1977 Omnibus Press p/back, still with the Virgin price sticker: £1.99

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:59 pm

Ah yes, I have a copy of Mystery Train. Thanks for the nudge, felix.

Marcus the Magus' words of wisdom on the Kinks must be buried somewhere in the endless, interminable appendices.

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:05 pm

Eddie wrote:
Ah yes, I have a copy of Mystery Train. Thanks for the nudge, felix.

Marcus the Magus' words of wisdom on the Kinks must be buried somewhere in the endless, interminable appendices.

Oh no, he said, not in the appendices - see my edit above.

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PostSubject: Re: Just how "English" are the Kinks?   Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:14 pm

felix wrote:
EDIT: he deals with the Kinks in an extended aside in his chapter on Randy Newman.


Oh, THAT edit. I'd been scratching my head trying to imagine what possible connection there might be between Ray Davies and the Ministry of Defence.

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